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Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474898 is a reply to message #474895] Thu, 09 September 2010 09:16 Go to next message
victoryhendry
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Oracle UNION ALL performance issue: when I try to run below SQL query separately SQL part1 and SQL part2 it takes some seconds only but if I run together with group by and without group by it take much time. Could you please help me on this.?



SELECT AVG(date_completed-login_date),to_char(to_date(login_date), 'YYYY') as wYear FROM

(
(
SELECT test.date_completed 'date_completed',sample.login_date 'login_date')
FROM sample test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 1


UNION ALL

(
SELECT c_test.date_completed 'date_completed',c_sample.login_date 'login_date'
FROM c_sample c_test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 2


) AS tbl

GROUP BY to_char(to_date(login_date), 'YYYY')


Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel Karuppan, Dharmapuri - Oracle
Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474899 is a reply to message #474895] Thu, 09 September 2010 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Oracle UNION ALL performance issue: when I try to run below SQL query separately SQL part1 and SQL part2 it takes some seconds only but if I run together using UNION ALL with group by and without group by it take much time. Could you please help me on this.?



SELECT AVG(date_completed-login_date),to_char(to_date(login_date), 'YYYY') as wYear FROM

(
(
SELECT test.date_completed 'date_completed',sample.login_date 'login_date')
FROM sample test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 1


UNION ALL

(
SELECT c_test.date_completed 'date_completed',c_sample.login_date 'login_date'
FROM c_sample c_test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 2


) AS tbl

GROUP BY to_char(to_date(login_date), 'YYYY')


Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel Karuppan, Dharmapuri - Oracle

[Updated on: Thu, 09 September 2010 09:26]

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Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474901 is a reply to message #474899] Thu, 09 September 2010 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlackSwan
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Since NOBODY can optimize SQL just by looking at it, we need a few more details.
http://www.orafaq.com/forum/m/433888/136107/#msg_433888
Please refer to URL above & be sure to provide the details requested:
1) DDL for all tables & indexes
2) EXPLAIN PLAN
3) output from SQL_TRACE & tkprof
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474905 is a reply to message #474898] Thu, 09 September 2010 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
when I try to run below SQL query separately SQL part1 and SQL part2 it takes some seconds only but if I run together with group by and without group by it take much time.

This is NOT the UNION ALL that takes time but the GROUP BY, I bet.
Post what BlackSwan requested.

Regards
Michel
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474952 is a reply to message #474905] Fri, 10 September 2010 02:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The conditions can be important too, if they are poorly written, can block indexes etc.

To elaborate on what Blackswan said, there can be many reasons a query isn't performing, you assume its the union operator but without the detail you(or we) can't tell. Michel is right about the union I think.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #474960 is a reply to message #474899] Fri, 10 September 2010 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

it takes some seconds

How do you execute the query (i.e) what client are you using to execute the query (sql*plus, toad, sql*developer, ???)

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Raj
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475151 is a reply to message #474960] Mon, 13 September 2010 06:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hi Raj,

I am using toad

Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel Karuppan
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475155 is a reply to message #475151] Mon, 13 September 2010 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bad way to get performances indicators.
Post what BlackSwan requested.

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Michel
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475162 is a reply to message #474905] Mon, 13 September 2010 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if I execute the sql part1 and sql part 2 separately without union all it takes only
few minutes. only when we try to use union all it takes much time( 30 min).

so there is not a indexes or poor conditions problem or DDL.

each sql part1(total record is count =900000) and sql part2 (total record is count =600000). so when I use UNION ALL that time only I am facing this issue.

Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel Karuppan
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475164 is a reply to message #475162] Mon, 13 September 2010 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cookiemonster
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And we still think the problem is the group by.
You're not going to get any meaningful help from us unless you give us the information requested.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475168 is a reply to message #475164] Mon, 13 September 2010 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How long does the query take without the group by?

i.e. time this one:

SELECT test.date_completed 'date_completed',sample.login_date 'login_date')
FROM sample test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 1


UNION ALL

(
SELECT c_test.date_completed 'date_completed',c_sample.login_date 'login_date'
FROM c_sample c_test
where (some conditions) ) ---SQL part 2
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475182 is a reply to message #475164] Mon, 13 September 2010 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hello,

Please don't assume still I am using group by.

just assume that

SQL Query :

SQL1 UNION ALL SQL2

separately exection times are

SQL1 -- 5 seconds (total count - 5,00000)

SQL2 -- 10 seconds (total count - 4,00000)


if I use UNION ALL. it takes 30 minutes to complete the execution.why it takes that much time if I use UNION ALL.?
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475183 is a reply to message #475182] Mon, 13 September 2010 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would be helpful if you followed Posting Guidelines - http://www.orafaq.com/forum/t/88153/0/

post EXPLAIN PLAN for all SQL discussed.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475185 is a reply to message #475183] Mon, 13 September 2010 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you don't know what is explain plan this is why you don't post it (the other option is that you are s...).
So read:
Performance Tuning Guide
Chapter 19 Using EXPLAIN PLAN

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Michel
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475190 is a reply to message #475185] Mon, 13 September 2010 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have you got TOAD set to return all rows from a query straight away?
or is it set to retrieve a page's worth at a time?

Based on your timings I would guess the later.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475300 is a reply to message #475190] Tue, 14 September 2010 05:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hi,

it is set to retrieve a page's worth at a time.so its retrieving 500 records each time.

Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel Karuppan
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475302 is a reply to message #475300] Tue, 14 September 2010 05:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roachcoach
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How long do the individual SQL statemsnts take if you return the full lot?
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475330 is a reply to message #475302] Tue, 14 September 2010 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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it takes around 15& 17 min

1st sql -- 15min
2nd sql -- 17min

Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475331 is a reply to message #475330] Tue, 14 September 2010 08:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So...surely then that shows there's no issue with the union as its time is approx SQL1+SQL2?
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475333 is a reply to message #475331] Tue, 14 September 2010 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Basic rule of comparing sqls. Always compare how long it takes the query to get all the rows.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475336 is a reply to message #475333] Tue, 14 September 2010 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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oh ok..it takes the query to get all the rows around 32 min.

Do you mean it should take totally 15+17 min=32 min is the right one?
so we could not able to tune once again if it has total record count is around 10,00000 or more.

Thank you
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475337 is a reply to message #475336] Tue, 14 September 2010 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We might be able to tune it. If you gave us the full query and the explain plan.
Which would be what Blackswan asked you for in the first place.
icon14.gif  Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475508 is a reply to message #475337] Wed, 15 September 2010 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hi All,

I have used hints /*+go_faster*/ . It took few seconds to retrieve the query. Earlier it was taking 30 min to complete the execution.

Thanks and Regards,

Vetrivel K
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475513 is a reply to message #475508] Wed, 15 September 2010 06:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laughing It might be faster still if you convert all key words to upper case
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475515 is a reply to message #475513] Wed, 15 September 2010 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John Watson wrote on Wed, 15 September 2010 12:58
Laughing It might be faster still if you convert all key words to upper case



Post of the day imho
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475668 is a reply to message #475515] Thu, 16 September 2010 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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could you please tell me ? really it would be FASTER If I change the keywords to upper case
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475669 is a reply to message #475508] Thu, 16 September 2010 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That was a joke.

As was this:
victoryhendry wrote on Wed, 15 September 2010 12:33
I have used hints /*+go_faster*/ . It took few seconds to retrieve the query.
Wasn't it?
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475672 is a reply to message #475669] Thu, 16 September 2010 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm usually really good at spotting sarcasm, even over the toneless internet, but honestly....I just dont know here.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475747 is a reply to message #475672] Fri, 17 September 2010 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hi,

See the below msg from Roachcoach and cookiemonster. Really I frustrated because of this message. simply there are irridating me like this words. Please take a action on this.


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That was a joke.

As was this:

victoryhendry wrote on Wed, 15 September 2010 12:33
I have used hints /*+go_faster*/ . It took few seconds to retrieve the query.Wasn't it?

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I'm usually really good at spotting sarcasm, even over the toneless internet, but honestly....I just dont know here.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475749 is a reply to message #475747] Fri, 17 September 2010 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're complaining about my post?
really?

I told you John's suggestion was a joke.
He made the joke in response to this:
Quote:

I have used hints /*+go_faster*/ .


Since /*+go_faster*/ is really, obviously not a valid hint, I wondered if you were joking as well. Hence the rest of my post - I was really seriously asking if you were joking.
The only other possibilities that I can see are:
1) you used a real hint instead - in which case your description of what you did is so meaningless you can't really blame anyone but yourself for the confusion that followed.
2) You really did add /*+go_faster*/ as a hint to your query - I which case I'm just lost for words.

As for Roachcoach's reply - slightly unnecessary but not offensive. He just stated what we were all wondering.

So really no action is going to be taken.

EDIT: added some more words for clarity.

[Updated on: Fri, 17 September 2010 07:27]

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Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475774 is a reply to message #475749] Fri, 17 September 2010 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I may add in my defense there was no smiley, or anything else for that matter, to indicate sarcasm. I assumed it was sarcasm for the reasons cookiemonster gave.

That being said you need to remember people search these forums for answers before posting quite a lot, referencing non-existent hints without clearly being a joke might confuse other users searching.

What is 'obviously' a joke to seasoned oracle folks isnt necessarily going to be obvious to everyone...is all I'm driving at really.
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475820 is a reply to message #475774] Fri, 17 September 2010 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not sure what you're getting at @victoryhenry. I've seen some marginal-offensive behaviour on this forum before, but @RoachCoach and @cookiemonster didn't even come close. It was just a statement of fact. Your go_faster post was either dead-pan sarcasm or just a bit of embarrassing naivety. It was pretty hard to tell.

If you took these messages as offensive, then you have seriouly mis-read their intent. Quite simply, they were not offensive by any reasonable person's definition.

/*+ go_faster */ is not a real hint. I don't know who made it up, but Jonathon Lewis (Oracle expert) seems to have used it in his presentations as a joke. There are some references to those presentations on the Internet that don't explicitly state it was a joke. Perhaps this is where you saw it, and you thought it was real.

Back to the topic. You should expect a UNION ALL statement to take EXACTLY the same amount of time as the two separate statements. You cannot tune the UNION ALL statement except by tuning the individual SQLS. If you want to tune the individual SQLs, you are going to have to show them to us, and provide Explain Plans.

Ross Leishman
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475856 is a reply to message #475820] Sat, 18 September 2010 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
victoryhendry
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Hi Ross Leishman,

Really thank you very much for your message. I saw this hint "/*+ go_faster */" somewhere in net.

I tuned the sql based on my explain plan. actually it was not using index earlier so I corrected that one.

Please ignore my below complaints and actually I should not want to hurt anybody.

Thanks,

Everyone Have a nice day always !!!!
Re: Oracle UNION ALL performance issue [message #475965 is a reply to message #475856] Mon, 20 September 2010 03:17 Go to previous message
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No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned mate Smile
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